Within 5 weeks, you grew your channel to 2.7K. Your video views is 6.18 million views. Most challenging part and the most important part is the intro. First, you have the angle that you’re going to include into your thumbnail. And then when people click, you need to give them what you said into the thumbnail immediately. How did you even get started with this YouTube channel? This is going to be a very funny story. I turn behind me and I see John Kiryaku, the XCIA officer, and I was like, what do I have to lose to ask him to come on my podcast? And so I did I asked him he gave me a phone number and I just texted him twice a day until he showed up. For those of them who scared to go out and ask for these things. What advice do you have for them? The way I was able to get a bit more extroverted is I started seeing it as more of a game. Tell me your the whole process cuz you’re using 99% of code. What is the very first step that I should follow? I refuse to use anything else. All of the shorts that you mentioned were all made in a single day and then scheduled for 2 weeks. If somebody’s staying until the end of this podcast, what is one value they’re going to gain out of this podcast today? Hey, Lazarus, I am so happy that you’re here today. I personally have so many questions about you in general because you grew your channel really fast. I mean, within 5 weeks, you grew your channel to like 2.7K and your video views within 5 weeks is 6.18 million views, which is insane. And the people that you’re bringing for your podcast, they’re top tier. So, we want to hear from you how you’re doing this starting from zero. Honestly, last year you told me off the camera you were going door to door last year and you’re a little bit lost, but now you have a client who’s doing 8 figureure business. It’s just everything is just happening all at once it feels like. So I want to hear more from you. The very first question that I want to ask is if somebody’s staying until the end of this podcast, what is one value they’re going to gain out of this podcast today? I would say first of all from a mindset perspective they’re going to understand why it’s so important to leverage AI for anything that is that you want to do even that is business content creation or even a hobby but also if you’re more interested on the podcast podcast side of things you’re going to know how to basically produce a whole podcast from beginning to end using cloud code I love that and you told me that you are using 99% using cloud code this whole thing I I refuse to use anything else is anything else. Oh, that’s awesome. You know what? So, let’s actually deep dive into that. But before we walk through where you walk us through the exact formula because today you’re going to walk us through how you turn in the long form video to short form video and your short form average is about 50K per short form. So, we are going to learn all of that because you’re using cloud code to do it. But I just want to get into how did you even get started with this YouTube channel? What was your thought behind that? This is going to be a very funny story of how it started because it honestly fell in my lap and I’m a very big believer of if you show up every single day and you will be able to recognize opportunities and when they just fall in front of you, you’ll be able to capitalize on them. And that is exactly what happened. As I mentioned to you off camera, I’ve been working on my business on myself for the past year. Before that, I was in university and also I tried a lot a lot of different side hustles including including drop shipping, Tik Tok shop, SMMA and all of them failed. But every single attempt that you make is not really a failure if you learn. And so I’ve been attending maker school which is a community where we met from. And during that time I learned how to make Loom videos which is how you get clients off of Upwork called Outreach so on and so forth. And that’s how I learned to speak and maybe socialize, I guess. My first language is not English, it is Greek. So, it definitely improved my spoken English as well. And one day I was back in Cyprus and I was eating at a tavern, just a very traditional low-key tavern. Not a lot of people know it, only the locals do. And I turn behind me and I see John Kiryaku, the XCIA officer. And I turn to my dad and I’m like, “Do you know this guy? Do you know who he is?” And surprisingly I had very not very much up to date with the current celebrities but he did know John Kiryago. It’s like you have to go speak to him. So I walked up gave him my a big handshake and to my surprise he stood up and started talking to me for quite a bit of time. He was very friendly, very outgoing and I was like what do I have to lose to ask him to come on my podcast which by the way I didn’t have at all. And so I did. I asked him. He gave me a phone number and I just texted him twice a day until he showed up. Oh my god. That’s pretty much the story. You texted him twice a day. Is that what you said? And did he not respond at first or how did that work? So, he’s a very busy guy. When I would send him one text a day to figure out the logistics and then I was bumping it at the end of the day and he would always get back to me. He was always very uh friendly and very keen on making it happen. And after a few of um back and forth, I was able to book a studio, do my research using cloud code, and have him on the podcast. Gotcha. So, I just want to clarify when you met him in person, you asked him if he can join the podcast, and he said yes. Correct. Yeah. Okay. And then you were texting like twice a day just to figure out the logistics and so that he didn’t. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And you recently got Nick’s arrive in on your channel, too. Like, that’s a great video, by the way. If you haven’t watched it, go ahead and watch it because it’s amazing. Um, but you asked some really, really good questions. So, I want to get into how you’re coming up with these questions for your podcast, but then before you do that, tell us the story how you got Nick on your podcast. So, after I got John Kiragan, I posted the video. It was doing pretty well. And as we’re part of the community, there’s a section where you can post your wins. And I was like, might as well post it on there as well. And Nick actually saw the video. He commented right under it. And I was like, again, what do I have to lose to just reach out? So I used one of the one of his techniques that he’s teaching in Maker School. So making a Loom video. And I used it against him in a way. Sent it to him and surprisingly again he said yes. So that very same week, so 5 days later, I was in a flight to Canada for 16 hours where we made the podcast happen. Oh, that’s awesome. So what did you say in the Lum video? I was like, “Hey, Nick, you recogni I hope you recognize me from the John Kiru podcast. Just like I shot my shot with him, I want to shoot it with you.” I spoke to a lot of people because I’m part of the same accountability group as you are. And I’m I asked uh the people in the group chat, “Hey guys, what questions would you have for Nick and everyone was very interested in his story and so I pitched that idea to him and I guess he liked it and so we made it happen.” Dude, I feel like you are really good at prepping but also manifest uh is that how you call it? Manifesting. Manifesting that it will come because you act as if it happened because I wasn’t part of that group, right? And when I read it, I’m like, does this this guy already got Nick? Because it just sounded like you already got him, which is kind of part of this attracting people to you. So that’s amazing because I want to touch on that. Sorry for interrupting. But about the manifesting thing, it’s very funny because are you familiar with the book Think and Grow Rich? One of the aspects is you need to write things down that you want to happen. You want to let’s say manifest. But I don’t think it’s necessarily manifesting as it is you are a bit more aware of what you’re looking for like in the long run. And so in the short run, you take better decisions to reach that end goal. Like imagine all of the decisions in a logic tree, if you have a long site, you know where to go given the situation. And what’s funny is that one of the sections from Think and Grow Rich says, “Write down the people you want to associate with to reach your goal.” And uh one was Nick, and I did meet him like 6 months later after writing it down. And then there were two other people, which I’m not going to mention yet. And I’m meeting that one other person in two weeks time, which is kind of crazy. Wow. And how how are you meeting that person, that secret guest for your YouTube, I’m guessing? Is that right? Yeah. For the podcast. Yeah. How are you meeting that person? Like how did you get if you don’t mind just sharing the story? Maybe I can share, but I’m going to keep it a bit more secret as of now just to build up a bit more suspense about the episode. But that particular person has a very strong personal brand. He is has collaborated with Whoop in the past. He has created one of their branches of how they’re generating revenue right now. And I had a very funny connection. My cousin had a friend who is friend’s brother was that guy. And so I reached out and I’m like, “Hey, I interviewed John Kiru. Would you be willing to hop on the podcast?” And she just responded with yes just yesterday. Oh gosh, that is so cool. I love it. But I’m curious like what made you fly all the way to Canada? Well, I mean, when you send someone a cold email and they respond extremely positively and you promise them something, you have to follow through. So, that was pretty much it. That’s awesome. When you started content, did you have anything in mind? I know it was kind of it happened randomly a little bit cuz you got this amazing guest. So you started your channel but did you have anything back of my mind as an example like I want to build my personal brand or I want to be like one of our top one when it comes to podcast. Do did you have anything like that? So I definitely knew I wanted to start a personal brand because it’s one of the greatest assets you can have. We definitely live in an attention economy and you have the power to collectively influence the consciousness of people. You can do whatever you want. So, okay, I know that sounded a bit bad, but it’s like you can turn it into good or you can turn it into revenue. You can influence people’s lives. And I think that’s very, very important. I never knew exactly what it was going to look like, but I think the podcast format I’m very much liking at the moment. That’s awesome. And English is not your native. Like you said, you were learning how to actually articulate or how to pronounce or how to learn like English in general while you’re learning about the sales pitch for through Loom videos. Let’s talk about uh when you first started your podcast, right, which was 5 weeks ago. Did you have any some sort of confidence issue or when it comes to English, anything like that? Not necessarily about English, but about tonality and the level of my voice. It was definitely the I would say the only thing I would change about the interview with John and how it went. But if you’ve never done never been on camera before, at least in a studio setting with studio lights, microphones, I’ve never held a mic in the past and you have John Kiryaku which has been on the diary of a CEO. He has been on Joe Rogan got tens of millions of views. You’re bound to get stressed and so my voice was a bit lowered. Oh yeah, but that was a great podcast. So don’t even stress out about that. But how did you prep yourself mentally during that crazy setting? Oh, I didn’t. Oh, you didn’t? I didn’t. I mean, I didn’t I didn’t have the time. It was John, do you want to hop on my podcast? 3 days later, I was filming it. So, not enough time to process. And I think that’s very important in anything you want to do. Same as I’ve done skydiving in the past. And um I took the decision to skydive. Next week, I was skydiving. Didn’t have the time to back out and never looked back. And then you just flew off the plane. That’s what it is. Yeah. Like literally like the podcast. Yeah. Are you more of a if I get the prompting, I just have to act on it type of person. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. So, do you act before you think? Sometimes. And that can lead into something that’s extremely good or extremely bad. So, I I am getting better at picking my battles with that. Still learning. That’s That’s good. So you’re rather choosing some good decisions rather compared to bad decisions so that it can just focus and you can attract the right energy. Yeah. Exactly. All right. Let’s talk about clog code Nazaros. This is what a lot of people are curious about because if some of you who are listening right now if they haven’t started their content, let’s just pretend I’m I’m that person. I want to be like you. Like with just one video I pop up and I have this fancy people on my channel. But that’s kind of unrealistic to be honest. But with Cloud Code, they can start their content because I’m a busy mama and I have a full-time job and I just have no time. So, if you’re talking to that person who’s really busy but who has simple content creation, like I want to hear the whole process. So, if you don’t mind, just share whatever you can your screen. Tell me your the whole process cuz you you’re using 99% of cloud code. What is the very first step that I should follow? Well, it’s definitely prep. But before I go into any deeper of how I work, I don’t feel like I’m very qualified to give this sort of advice. But I’m going to tell you what I did, at least for myself, how and why it worked, and then you can relate it to your particular niche. So, anything I say now is about the podcast format, but it definitely works across the board. Anything you create in content is split into three parts. is is it post pre-production, production and post-production. So for pre-production, I would say doing your research is extremely important and it has never ever ever been easier to do research than every with clo code. What I personally did for my podcast with John is I wanted to first nail down the angle because John has been in very many podcasts and a lot of them did extremely well but a lot of them kind of pretty much failed I would say. So I wanted to have a unique angle because so many sto so many of his stories are out there and I wanted to basically differentiate myself. One of those factors was Cyprus. So I asked him about the geopolitical aspect of Cypress. If you’re unaware, we’re split in two. There was big war almost 70 years ago. It’s split in half and he’s part Criate. And so I wanted to capture that audience. So finding a gap in your particular niche in your market to capitalize on as well as AI where this is going what how does he think a surveillance state is going to evolve so on and so forth but I didn’t reach those conclusions immediately I basically had clo code scrape all of his podcasts all of his transcripts put it in an index file and then I started asking him questions what are the most asked questions that I should avoid I noted that down and what are some areas he hasn’t talked or expressed his opinions about. Hey, real quick. If you’re using Claude, but you still feel like you’re only using 10% of what it can actually do, I found this free guide. It’s called a complete guide to Claude AI. And it breaks down exactly how you can set this up as a real assistant, not just a chatbot. And that’s exactly where we want to get to. And everything in here in this document is actually copy and paste ready. So, you can just start everything immediately. Just copy the prompt here right away. It walks through different projects. Basically, Claude is giving its own memory for a specific part of your work, which is the best part. So, you’re not really having to reexplain the whole process, whole context one at a time. So, this document specifically has a lot of different feature and you can use AI as your assistant. And one of them is like a new data analysis. You can use that, but my personal favorite is content. So, basically, I’m all about content. And here’s a content marketing AI executive assistant that you can just copy and paste. So, this is pretty much telling you what it is in here. But for you, what I suggest you to do is just copy the prompt over here and that’s it. And you make this work. And I’ll put this link in the description below so you can get this for free. And thanks to HubSpot for sponsoring this video. Awesome. So you’re asking claw code to find the angle after scraping to make sure you have the correct data set that you want to query about. Gotcha. So you’re scraping and then what did you use exactly? Did you use claw code during this time or did you use cloud chat? Cloud code every time all the time. I don’t every time all the time got all the time. What model use 4.7 at the time? Oppus 4.7 and I use Chrome dev tools for it to be able to navigate YouTube itself and then it would just copy paste the transcript section at the bottom right. Oh, are you talking about the goo claude extensions on Google Chrome? Yeah. Okay, gotcha. And then you’re pretty much having Claude do the whole thing. That’s what it is. Scraping the data and then you find the unique angle. That’s not necessarily coming from you. It’s Claude suggesting those unique angle. Is that right? Some of them. So Claude is pretty hit or miss. So it’s basically a very good back and forth. What I really like to do with CLA for brainstorming is because if you ask it to give you one particular response is going to be very narrow-minded. So I my usual prompt is give me a 100 different angles that I can go for. I’ll read all of them. 99% of them are completely horrible. And then you find one that kind of works and you tweak and work with Clude to reach to that conclusion. Okay, that totally makes sense. you took and then make this work. What about for Nick? How did you find the unique angle for him? I think we spoke about this off camera. Maybe I might have mentioned it um here in the podcast as well, but I’m part of our community in our group and I basically asked people, what do you guys want to see? Because it’s a direct audience that I’m speaking to and I have a direct channel of communication with them as well. And so the story angle really really landed well I believe. Oh, gotcha. So that’s how you found it. Basically reaching out from other people to see what the audience actually wants to hear about this person specifically. Exactly. Okay, that’s great. And now I got the scraping part done. Let’s just say I have this one person I want to invite to podcast. I did scraping using cloud code, cloud extensions and then I found a unique angle. What is the next step is to make a script almost that shouldn’t be too rigid at least for a podcast format. If you want to relate this into a particular to another niche, let’s say AI, you would need to have sort of like a framework saying here I want to talk I want to make an intro and then have a couple of bullet points. Then I want to make a demo and have a couple of bullet points. But I believe if you try to follow a script word for word, it definitely breaks the the fluency and the way the flow and the momentum of the content. So, I would say definitely have a framework and then be able to work off of what the guest is saying, be ready to adapt and something that I did in the John Kiraku podcast. Every time he was mentioning something at the end of his sentence, I took that and then sort of maneuvered it, had a follow-up sentence to bring it on to one of the questions I had on my iPad, which I think worked well. Okay. So, your brain just had to work really fast in order for you to do that. You’re like, “Okay, the end sentence, does it match with one of the questions that I have?” Is that what you’re saying? I I almost was not listening to what he was saying. I was trying to grab on to what he was saying at any of that moment and trying to remember what questions I had and which one it relates to the most and how can I connect it to the next question. So, it’s not like you have all the questions prepped and then ask that specific question. You just have to be a little bit more flexible when it comes to asking questions. And that’s crazy. Yeah. Asking really good questions. So, let’s just say I got the script done, right? The framework. What is the next step after the script? Um, recording obviously that’s a little bit that’s more obvious, right? That’s a little bit different setting. Let’s just say we got the recording done. Okay. Because recording is different. I’m guessing you’re not using cloud code to record your video. Not yet. Not yet. Okay. But what is the next step? Let’s just say I got the recording done with this person. How can I actually edit the video? This takes the most time. This is the most frustrating part for my audience. It’s like how do I edit the video? That’s a tough question at least for the long form podcast because there’s really not too much editing going on. So if you install any code skill/reo that has capabilities of editing video such as video use or votion, if you just give the raw footage and tell it clo can you please edit my podcast so that it switches the angle every time someone is speaking it can just do that right off the box which is pretty neat. But the most challenging part and the most important p part at least in my opinion is the intro because it decides after people click. So first you have the angle that you’re going to include into your thumbnail and then when people click you need to give them what you said into the thumbnail immediately. And so what I did with Nick, I have three separate angles AB testing currently at the moment that I believe three separate or different audiences are going to be interested in to watch what Nick has to say, but the intro addresses all three. And so it the payoff happens instantly. And if you put all of your effort into the intro, then you can maximize the number of people that are sticking around till the end. So for the full transparency Nazaros, you have an editor for your long form. Is that right? For the intro, correct? For the just for the intro and then for the rest of it, you don’t. But then for your short form, you don’t have any editor. It’s just all cloud code doing it at the moment. At the moment, yeah. No, it’s working really well. So I don’t think you need to hire somebody for that. Um because it’s working really well, performing amazingly. If you don’t mind sharing us how did you actually come up with the process? people are watching this right now. How can they actually copy or the process? I’m not talking about the content. Okay. So, I would take a few steps back to talk about how I work for the intro because then it translates for the shorts. It’s basically the same framework. If you have the recording and you download it on your device, then you can just say to Clude, “Hey, access that video, transcribe it, and put uh who’s speaking when, and then the timestamps right next to it.” And then you basically have a way to interact with your video. So for my different angles that I had, I went to Claude and I said I have this three different angles for my intro. I want to have a story line where I first talk about Xperson story and then have rapid fire interesting back and forth questions at the end. Can you please read through the entirety of the transcript and find me clips that go with my script that I have for my intro? And so it creates almost this framework, this wireframe for you to work off of. And it’s the same way I used it to make my shorts. After I published the video, I this is literally the only thing I said to Claude, go into the transcript and I want you to analyze every single line, every single line one by one. I want you to help me prepare shorts for my long form content. I want it to be around a minute to maybe 2 minutes long at the maximum. Like you’re pushing emotion to the to the other person inducing emotion inducing hook at the beginning. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. Like story. Okay. Yeah. Exactly. So CL basically classify them by feeling and I wanted to see what would the viewer feel and so that’s how I ranked them from best to worst. After I had the hooks and said fear, uh, greed, happiness, gratefulness, you say which ones has the most. So let’s say I’m aimlessly doom scrolling. What is going to make me feel the most amount of difference from what I’m feeling right now, which is brain rot, let’s say. And so after finding those very compelling hooks, I said to CL, can you just make the whole clip make make the whole scripts and u after making the scripts for the clips, you then just have to make one land in the style that you want. And I can show you live if you like. Yes, create a skill for visual person. I would love to learn. Yeah, of course. Create a skill and then once you have that landed, you can just say to clo one by one run all of the all of the clips that you have prepared for me. You review them and then publish them through Xernium and then I schedule everything through Zo through close. That’s awesome. All right, that’s a lot of work, a lot of content right there. Nuros, I would love to see like what you’re actually talking about when it comes to the fear emotion, which is so smart, by the way. I haven’t used that before. So, I’m going to steal that strategy by the way. I was like, those are really, really good. But share with us what you’re exactly seeing in claw code if you don’t mind. And I would love to see if they’re putting in the Excel doc or a Google doc or whatever, like how do you even look at it? Before we move into that, I just want to say that all of the shorts that you mentioned were all made in a single day and then scheduled for two weeks. Oh, nice. Which is pretty clean, dude. Yeah, that’s why that’s how you can actually work and create content on the side, right? Exactly. CL code and hit 6 million views in in two weeks. That’s crazy. To be fair, the majority of the views were from short form. So, it’s definitely the way to go. So, this is what he was talking about when it comes to shorts. Can you actually click the popular? What is the most view that you got from shorts? Oh, that’s the 1 million. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, that one. That’s awesome. And you’re using emotion for this part, correct? I’m using you’re you’re using uh because you talked about emotions like fear, scarcity. What emotion did you use for this specific video? For all of them, it was almost always fear. Especially the reason I landed on that is because I scraped as I mentioned all of the titles as well as the transcripts from all of John’s um interviews and almost all of them played on fear because unfortunately humans experience negative emotion at a much larger scale than positive ones and so I leaned more into that and uh this one this particular short is talking about how the iron dome is not what is cracked up to be and a lot of people are very emotionally ally charged about at least geopolitics in a particular nation at the moment. And so I think this is why this has really blown up. So it’s not like a random short of the random clip. You actually did the research before you have cloud code made it. So it’s pretty much you behind the whole scene. Right. Exactly. Okay. And if you don’t mind going over your cloud code and then show us the whole process, love to love to learn from you. So, I’m going to try and do my best because unfortunately I’m very close to my limit. So, we’re going to see how far we can go. What What limit? I mean, what plan do you have with with 2001? But Fable has been brutal. $200 and you’re Yeah, you use your limit. Yeah, you can see. Yeah, it’s kind of crazy. And you have to wait for until July 10th. Tomorrow. Yeah. Tomorrow. Okay. Gotcha. I was like, when is July 10th? tomorrow. After this podcast, I’m going to take the day off and just pick up work tomorrow. I don’t necessarily have a particular framework and I think anyone that tries to copy someone else’s framework is a bit wrong. So, I’m just going to walk you through my particular thought process. So, I’m going to work on this live. Mhm. I don’t have any shorts lined up for the next video as it was just published yesterday. So, first thing I want to do is to analyze my content. analyze the colors that I’m using and then analyze the angles. So for this particular podcast with Nick, it was very dim, very dimly lit, very brownish. And so you have to choose the color of your captions first of all. And so with my editor, we worked together. Let me mute that. And we landed on this particular format, which is yellow and white, which I think looks pretty clean. I’m curious about this whole process. The color grade is that something that editor did or is that something that you use claw code? You talked about this is like brownish color, right? Like dark theme. Is that because that’s color grade on editing, I’m guessing, as well as setup a little bit. So, did your editor did that the whole process or did you? So, I flew out I found a pretty neat studio, which is what you’re seeing right now. And then the people that were operating the cameras at the moment, very helpful. I love them. Give a huge shout out to Offset Studios in Calgary and they just basically optimized the colors before sending over the raw files and it just looks fantastic. Oh, nice. That’s perfect. If you don’t mind me asking for the intro, you’re only having your editor do the intro. How did you find your editor and how much are you paying this editor? Yeah, funny story actually and I’m letting this video play because I want to take a screenshot of the captions as we speak, but the I had the podcast with John Kiru and the owner of the podcast studio recommended me this guy. He said he’s a bit expensive so I tried my luck with Upwork and I was horribly disappointed unfortunately and I was very desperate to get something of quality especially having John on the podcast. So, I reached out to the guy, phenomenal performance, obviously, and he charges $80 per minute of intro of this level of quality of animation, and I would say he’s worth every single penny. Amazing work. Honestly, this is at least I’m doing a bit of prep on how I want it to look. And so, as you’ve seen my previous shorts, they’re vertical. I think this particular scene with Nick looks pretty good in the hor horizontal format. And I’ve seen a lot of other podcasts doing this in short form where you don’t necessarily cut onto Nick. So it wouldn’t be a vertical uh sort of aspect ratio. It will it would be a horizontal and that’s what I want to do. But before we go into the styling, let’s talk with Claude and I’m going to say, “Hey Claude, so I want to work on my shorts for my Nick Sar podcast. I want you to analyze the transcript word by word and I want you to find the most compelling hooks and story lines for my shorts. I’m going to pause it right there because something that I would improve from my previous shorts is that I didn’t include myself too much into the clips. So now I’m going to tell Claude I want the hook to be me asking a question and then Nick answering. Every single hook should be me asking a question and feel free to shorten that question so that it’s extremely punchy and the watcher can get the payoff as soon as possible. So me asking the question should be a maximum of 3 seconds. Cut it as you see fit and then have Nick answer that to the maximum of 40 seconds. So the shorts should be anywhere from 40 seconds to a minute and 20 seconds. After you scrape everything, I want you to categorize what emotion the viewer is going to be feeling. Obviously, negative emotions have a more detrimental effect on the person. And so those I want you to add a bit more of um of a waiting to them and then rank them from best to worst for us to decide. I know that’s a long prompt. I No, that’s a that’s a whole your brain behind this, right? That’s your prompt. I love this. Thanks for sharing your prompt with us. Some people are curious about how did you even get to that point which is the prompt. So appreciate you showing us this. This is so cool. I love the emotion part because that’s perfect for the hook especially for shorts. So you’re making viewers feel certain way after watching this video, right? And I’m guessing for Nick, what emotion do you want to bring out of the people? I I guess I’m going to go from for the emotions that I chose for the intro. And one is FOMO, fear of missing out. People feel like AI is taking over the world and they want to choose the right side of history. If you can’t beat them, join them. So FOMO is a big one. Fear is another one. I really like fear. I feel like fear is an emotion just like any other emotion. Just people are a bit uncomfortable experiencing it and that’s why it has a big effect when people are watching. And then I would also say motivation would be another one. So how to make it, how to be able to manifest, how to make things happen. So you’re kind of creating this FOMO and fear. So that people know they can choose the right side when it comes to AI and then motivate them eventually that they can do this as well. Exactly. Right. So thank you for that question. Actually I might throw that in there. I want you to explore the emotion of FOMO, fear of missing out, the emotion of fear as well as motivation and how Nick is going to teach them how to get to their goals. and just send that in there. For the prepping part, when it comes to scraping and also prepping for the script, how long did it take you to prep for that part, initial part? Mhm. For which particular podcast or for like scraping this person’s information as well as prepping some questions like scripting? How long did that process take you? H So 20% of that process, maybe even 10% of that process was the scraping. But then Claude is surprisingly horrible at making the questions. So it does everything so well, which was crazy. But I had to actually sit down and write the questions that I had on my mind because my thought process is I’m just a regular guy and I have these questions that I really want this person to tell me. Like I’m genuinely curious and if I’m curious about these questions, then I’m pretty sure a lot of other people are as well. And my thought process was do the scraping, have the index, so being able giving the ability to cla to be able to research what they said in the past and then just brain dumping my questions and letting Claude reframe them. Something pretty neat I did as well is I scraped all of the questions from the diary of a co. So all of um the host’s part as well as Jack Neil and I told Claude to translate my questions in the way that they asked them. So you’re scraping, you’re getting inspired by other creators as well, like what they have used and then you’re turning turning that into your own style, right? Exactly. Exactly. Okay. You were a door knocker a year ago, right? It’s pretty scary to door knock. I’ve door knocked in the past, like tens of thousands of doors. A a ton of doors in the past. It’s pretty scary every single time. It doesn’t matter how many times you do it, you just don’t know who you’re going to get and the answer you’re going to get. is do you think that helped you when it comes to asking for podcast or cold DM cold outreach because I like your mindset. You said I’m not going to lose anything. So for those of them who scared to go out and ask for these things, what advice do you have for them? Oh, this is going to sound very funny. So I was pretty I was a pretty introverted kid. The way I was able to get a bit more extroverted is I started seeing it as more of a game because every time you interact with someone, it’s like going to the casino. Let’s say you play blackjack. You don’t know the card that you’re going to get next. And that is how you get that dopamine hit. Same is with socializing, interacting, knocking on doors. If you can get excited of what kind of person am I going to speak to, how can I get from A to B with this particular person? Each particular person is a challenge. Each individual person works differently and they have their particular way that they respond to. And so I see it like a game, like a puzzle that I can solve. And each time I just try to get better. And so if you’re worried, just start playing. Aim for failures. Say, “My goal is to get rejected 100 times and I promise you, you’re going to get your first win before you reach that.” You made the game out of the whole failure system. I love that. That’s That’s super cool. Oh, I’m going to take I got to write this down. Like just Yes. Because for even for me too, I get a little bit scared when it when it comes to saying, you know, people saying no to me, which is insane because I’ve been heard no multiple times. I’ve been in sales industry over 10 plus years. So, I should know this better. But each time when people say no, I kind of relate that to me even though it’s not. It’s my product. It’s my services. But so that’s really good to hear that you know you’re playing game out of this and then eventually you’re going to get better. Yeah. It’s not necessarily getting the no. It’s how far can you go before you get the no. If you get the no instantly that’s worse than getting very close to the sale and not getting the no because now you know I can take you 90% of the way there. I just need to get better at that 10%. Yeah. I love that. So good. Your next person you already got this person. The third you tal you mentioned three people the last person you’re going to use connections I’m guessing or anything that you can after getting a few guests on the podcast you can leverage that in the sense that you get authority just by correlation and then if you’re genuine with the people that you meet you can just ask them to connect you to someone if there’s a genuine connection between you and the person you meet they’re be going to be more than willing to connect you forward That’s awesome. All right, let’s talk about money part. How much did it cost for you to do this whole thing excluding the flight? Excluding the flight. Oh my god, that was almost all of it. That’s like a third of it. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. But I I personally wouldn’t go on an I wouldn’t personally for the first video ever say do an online podcast because in person you get a different connection with the person you’re connecting. So if your goal is to connect with as many people as possible, in person works the best. But if your goal is to make as much content as fast as possible, then do online. So it depends on your goal. And and Cl just finished. So I see both aspects, but one is a long-term play and the other one is I wouldn’t say a short-term, but you definitely see the returns a lot more instantly with the online just like we’re doing now. You’re not going off the clock. Like you’re doing everything from here. It’s literally giving everything here because for me I use Excel like Google sheet and then it’s putting everything there but you’re not connecting anything. Yeah, absolutely nothing. Uh sometimes I can use superbase if I want to keep them longterm but it’s just having a very cool and clean uh folder structure over here. So as you can see here on the left this is my workspace that I use every single day. I have this is also backed up on GitHub so I can also access it through any computer and it’s separated by clients let’s say so at least for the projects that I’m doing right now I have my client here I have my company project so my website my internal dashboard my client dashboard and then here you have my podcasts underneath you can see jagnil is hopefully the next one but John Gyago next arrive and then here you can see the whole system that is in place you can see the thumbnails, the trailers, the transcripts, and then you also have the cloud.mmd that tells claude exactly what we’re doing and what we’re aiming for as well as giving the sources. You’re having claw code create thumbnails too. Yeah, I give it access to GPT image 2. Okay, gotcha. Oh, using the API key from open router or Yeah, open AI. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, let’s go back to this section. So, it’s got the emotion for your FOMO. I see that urgency. I think I just landed pretty well in the first one. AI is the new nuclear weapon. And I think Nick nailed that completely actually. And so let’s say I really like your first idea. Can you please expand on it and make the whole script based off the transcript and what cuts you’re going to make at it at each section? Optimize for retention. So make a promise at the beginning and then have the payoff at the very end. So this is just a way of structuring the format and giving Claude the ability to not go nuts and giving him like sort of guard rails on where to go. And you have a format that you talked about horizontal, vertical, what ratio, what what um captions you want to put. That’s already all taken care of. Claude knows that already. Correct. Exactly. But that was for the particular podcast that was with John Kiryaku. If you have a different setting at each time. So let’s go back. My captions for John Kiryago were colored red. If I were to use red here, I would have been absolutely cooked because then it would blend with the background. And so for every particular piece of content I create that I want to make shorts for, I will create a skill for that basically tells Claude how to keep the same format and uh styling every single time. Okay, gotcha. That makes sense. So Claude is reading your style or you’re screen capturing it and Claude is reading that part of it to just to mimic that. Exactly. It’s not perfect from the first get go, is it? Oh, no way. No way. You can never do that. Yeah. No way. One thing without Fable is emit. Are you using Fable for this? No. I can’t afford it at the moment. Oh yeah, that’s right. So Opus or Sonnet will be just good enough for this process. Is it? I would say Oppus is a bit better because you’re definitely using a lot of tools doing a lot of tool calls and you want to be able to navigate that uh without too much hallucination. Gotcha. That makes sense. But once you got the whole system set up, then you saw it afterwards, right? Exactly. Okay. And are you pretty technical person? That’s a good question. I would say no. Even though I do have an engineering background, I don’t have much experience with code. I was an electrical engineer, meatronic engineer, but other than just basic C for Arduinos and stuff, I have I basically learned everything from free resources on YouTube. Okay, that’s awesome. So this process you learned it from on YouTube as well. Uh this particular process you mean for creating videos? Yeah, like turning long form to short form. Not really. No, I I really like the way I try to learn stuff is by understanding the core principles and knowing how to apply them to make everything because at least my personal opinion is if you just follow what everyone else does, then you get everyone else’s results as well. In order to break out of the average or at least above a certain percentile, you need to be unique and differentiate yourself. And so this in the short term it might not be as great because it takes longer for me to reach a particular point, but after I understand it, I can then shift it to fit my particular style. I love that. It’s all about angles. It’s all about angles and being adaptable and fluid and yeah, even in nature, those who adapt survive. So yeah, that’s right. And you’re in this content game now, which is wonderful. Yes. All right. So, it looks like Claude is thinking. Is Claude actually making short form videos right now? So, it’s surprising that it’s taking that long to respond. Maybe it’s the effort level that I have, but it should be just giving me back a script. Then, we’re going to start working on how it looks. So, the process is Claude gives me transcript. Let’s say the the very basics of the format. So, vertical or horizontal and how I want it to look. And then it just makes the cuts and then we we will watch it together. After that, we bake in the captions, do the color grading, which you asked for, but since the editors did a pretty good job, I might leave it at that. And then we add the music and we’re good to go. Okay. So, the music part, you just only do it during the intro for music. In the long form content, yes, in short form, there’s always music. Yes, that’s right. I’ve realized you have the music, the suspense music going on, right? Every single short, the music was a little bit different. How did you find the music? That’s a very good question. Uh, and I should have mentioned that before. So, that was a process that I didn’t expect to work, but basically what I did, I saw all of the reals that I really liked from podcasts and saw what songs they were using, and I put them all uh in a text file, sent it to Claude, and I told him, I want these these soundtracks to be able to just put them on to any short form I make. So yazam find the exact version of the song and it found an open person’s version and actually did that. It found the exact pitch uh and made the edge to find the particular song that podcast was using. And now I have a library of 10 songs and I said to Claude, I want you to categorize each song by what emotion they cause and so analyze the emotion of the reveal that we are making and then attach the correct music in the background. That is so smart. Okay, just to recap, I want to make sure I understood you correctly. You were getting inspired by other podcasts. Let’s just say A Diary of CEO Steven Barllet used this specific music. I’m guessing it’s open source music, meaning it’s free, copyright free music. So, you download this specific music and then you attach to emotion having cloud code do that. So, whenever, let’s just say you’re doing motivation for this one clip and you got the motivation music, then cla will automatically match it and then put it together. Is that how it works? Exactly. That’s exactly how it works. Very well said. Dang, that is so smart. I’m I’m definitely using that. That’s so smart. If you give Claude a way to relate to things that is consistent across sessions, then you just increase his performance over time. How can Claude know emotion by the way? Is that from the words that they’re using? Yeah, just the transcript of the real. So it can see the transcript of this real let’s say from Steven or J or whoever conveys this emotion. So this sound must convey that as well. And if you have a big enough data set you can pick and choose what is what. So is the music without any words in it. It doesn’t work then you think um you mean just having instrumental? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely don’t put words. People get confused. Okay. So here’s the thing. How would Claude know? Let’s just say you’re like doing suspense music. We know it’s suspense because we’re human. Like let’s just say boom, I can’t even sing. But you know, pretend this is suspense music with no words. How could know this is a suspense music? Oh, okay. I I see the discrepancy. So what I described before was taking the reals and then let’s you have 100 short form, 100 pieces of short form content. Usually people that do podcasts have human editors do the music, do the editing, and so humans can reliably pick and choose which songs go where. And uh if you get enough shorts, you transcribe them and with words that are spoken. So let’s say in the podcast I say something about a war, people are fearful. If you see that piece of music being used across multiple reels that their transcript conveys fear, then it probably means that song is about fear. So you’re transcribing the the actual shorts instead of the music lyrics. Okay, that that’s the confusion part that I had. Okay, perfect. Thanks for Exactly. Yeah. So this is the script. Let me very quickly go through it. It looks pretty good. It says that the hook is going to be won’t AI just increase the gap between classes. Then Nick is going to say technology like this has never been available since atomics, nuclear weaponry, so on so forth. Looks pretty good. So I’m going to say using video use create an initial rough cut of this uh short that you have created. I want to post this on Tik Tok, Instagram, and so it’s going to be a vertical format for the actual file, but I want you to have the whole frame in it. So, minimize the horizontal version of the podcast into that vertical frame, make the cuts, and then open it up on my laptop for me to review, and we’ll work on the styling right after. Um, horizontal, vertical. I’m always confused with horizontal and vertical. I just have to like do this for my podcast because we were filming so close to each other like closeup camera. I can’t really do the vertical like I had to do horizontal. Yeah, I think that works a bit better though if I’m being honest. I think I’m of transitioning to this format as well. It stops people from scrolling because I think people are too used to the vertical. Yeah, I know. I’m gonna use that because I have a podcast with Sabrina. um one of my first podcasts or even before and I just want to like use that section of it and then I’m putting the title hook on top as well so that yeah that’s extremely useful yeah and I was doing that initially with clo but then I saw it was performing well without it as well but I do have a skill that it’s like slide let me see if it’s still on here because I just changed the laptop yeah add label so you can see here the skill says that you add a story style label white rounded pill just like the Instagram stickers to finish the reel and then it just says just find the most emotional thing blah blah blah when I say add the label and it just adds a hook to the reel as well. Okay, that’s really helpful. Are you using other platforms other than just YouTube? Um so using Xerno I’m posting on Instagram, Tik Tok, Twitter which is doing nothing. Gets zero views surprisingly. Twitter Yeah, Twitter is a different beast for sure. Yeah, I’m definitely cutting that off. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don’t I don’t use X right now for myself. I think I got zero followers. That’s crazy. I mean, text I think could work. And sort of like LinkedIn, you need to funnel people into that for them to be engaged. But Mhm. Should we take a look at this? Yeah, let’s do it. To come up with new stuff or even increase the gap between technology of this guy. That’s completely horrible. Completely missed the mark. Let’s see. See, even for him, he’s been doing this quite a while, but you have to redo it a couple of times. You need to analyze it a bit. See, has never been made available to any group of people really since atomics. The reason I’m listening to this for a prolonged period of time and trying to understand if Nick is talking too slow or too fast and sometimes just to increase retention I’m going to ask CL to uh increase the speed by let’s say.1%. That might increase uh retention a bit more as well. Oh that’s so that’s actually smart and clock can do that huh? Yeah it’s not bad. Yeah the hook you completely missed the mark. It needs to begin with me asking the question and then jumping right into Nick. I want you to cross reference the transcript and look at the exact timestamps for you to make the cuts correctly and then actually visually review that you have actually made the correct cuts. Also increase the speed of Nick talking by.1%. Let’s talk about the thumbnail a little bit while we’re waiting. For shorts, do you have a specific thumbnail that you use? No, just the third frame always. Yeah, gotcha. Doesn’t really matter. Doesn’t really matter. Zo. And how are you using Jour during this process? Let’s just say Claude is done editing the video. You like it. So you save it in the folder and do you title it? One, two, three. Or how does that work? So maybe I can, as we’re working here, pop my John Kago podcast clips. I have them selected by tier. So tier one is the most efficient ones, the most attracting ones, then tier two, tier three. And what I like to do is since I’m posting four times a day, I want to have one tier clip every single day and then backfill the rest with tier two and tier three. Wait, hold on for a second. You’re posting four times a day? I was. Yeah, because I made 60 reels and it was I was just scheduling them to one at 12, one at 6, one at 12, and then one at 6 again. Okay. Wow, that’s amazing. Great work. You can see here that they’re ranked as well. So this is apparently what we thought with Claudia was going to be performing the best but uh it apparently didn’t and I think actually the best performing one which was the Aron Dome must have been a tier two which is surprising and as soon your prep document that you sent me one of the questions was going to be how did I pick which parts go like become clips and which ones don’t and the answer is they all turn into clips and then you let the market decide and at least Particularly on YouTube, you there’s no penalty in you posting at four times a day. And so you see what works. Even the worst performing ones may generate $10 worth of revenue and then you see the ones that have generated the most revenue and you double down on them on other platforms as well. Gotcha. Well, that is such a smart process. How did you learn all of this? Like really? Like you’re So once you’re into something, you kind of deep dive into something, don’t you? Yeah, but at least particularly with um content. I’ve been consuming it all my life and I like recognizing patterns and so I think it has been building up at the back of my mind for the last 23 years and it’s just coming out right now. And thanks for sharing your tips with us. I just absolutely love this because it’s very approachable. You just barely started it 5 weeks ago. I mean, anybody who’s listening right now, not necessarily podcast related, but I like your mindset how you’re starting this and also how you can simplify the process using clock code. Exactly. Keeping it simple. Moving moving fast. Moving super fast. Yeah, really fast. But four videos, that’s super cool because you don’t that means you don’t have to be on your phone each time and then trying to upload. You don’t do that because you’re just having the API key. And Zio, I think it’s free for two accounts. Is that right? Exactly. And that’s why I’m dropping Twitter because it just charged me an extra I think8 for no views. So I think that’s gone. Yeah. Drop them. Drop them. How’s the performance in Instagram and Tik Tok? Is that pretty good? Instagram is has been doing quite well actually. I could pull that up for you if you like. Mhm. Yeah. Tik Tok hasn’t been amazing. Tik Tok doesn’t like automation tool. I feel like not necessarily. So the biggest one was 1.3 million views. Yeah, not too bad. It was like 36k likes. And the funny thing, I had my description comment CIA for the full episode. And the moment this was published, my manhat subscription ended and all of these comments haven’t gotten replied to, which sucks. Why are you using ManyHat, not Zio for this process? Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for calling me out. I should be using Zio. So Zo is free. I mean, but manhat is get can get pretty expensive. I realize I don’t know if you realize that, but every DM you send is contacts and they charge extra for contacts. Yeah. To keep it in your database. Correct. No, not necessarily. Like I delete all my contacts. It doesn’t really matter. As long as they send one DM, it’s considered as a one contact. You can’t really delete off your database. You can’t. You can’t. No, you can’t. You can’t do that. I know. I thought I thought I could. That’s why I’ve been deleting my contacts going back there. But they said, “No, as long as you send one DM, it stays as a contact.” No way. Yeah, for reals. I’m not kidding. So, because I got one video that got really viral. I think I have 400k views in one video and people commenting like 10,000. Yeah. On Instagram recently, four days ago. And look up if you want. Yeah, go for it. Sandy Lee.ai. Are Are we friends? following you. I follow you. Yeah, you follow me. Okay. I don’t think you follow me back, so I’m very offended for that. Oh, okay. You know what? I will follow you back. I’ll follow you back. I’m kidding. I’m kidding. What was it? This one right there. That one. This one. Uhhuh. Ton of views. I saw this on YouTube. Yeah, I know. And that’s the idea behind it. I got the YouTube. I’m like, might as well just create the short form right after this. It took maybe five minutes to create this and then it got viral. From that being said, whenever I use Minihat, oh, it was very pricey. So, I just switched back to Zoro. Yeah. So, you’re using it for chat automation. How’s it working for you? Oh, it’s good. Yeah. The only problem is it doesn’t have as many feature as a mini chat and it only can send one message like DM sent. That’s it. Versus Minihat has three different variation. But, Zero doesn’t have as many capability. But, I’m okay with it because it’s free. But one thing I want to say is if I were to use Many Chat for this specific thing, if I’m understanding the whole feature correctly, I would have paid $6,000 to them. Really? Yeah. Because that post got viral. Yeah. 6K. I’m like, dang. That’s not worth it. Yes. And I have worked with Minihat as well, at least for DM automation and installing an AI agent for an e-commerce brand and it was a very bad experience. Yeah. I would say Many Chat is great when it comes to follow me if you want get the link, you know, because it has a extra buttons in there. So, I guess you can force people to follow you a little bit more. I’ve tried that method too, but it just sounds a little fishy, too. So, that’s why I just don’t do that use that anymore. And yeah, it’s expensive.
Yeah, I’m just being honest. I’m like I don’t I personally am not using that. And you could even possibly like even vibe code your own thing to do the exact same job in like two days instead. I try to vibe code the whole thing. Yeah. But yeah, dude. Um yeah, actually for the scripting part, I vibe code my app. It’s called SW Studio and I’m currently working on with an engineer that how we can do the whole scripting kind of similar to what you’re doing like but then not turning long form to short form but creating short form from the get- go and then trying to get the viral format towards the beginning and then get the script. But anyways, that’s something I’m working on right now. That sounds very interesting. And you could definitely plug the outputs of that into something like this to actually like after you film it, edits it immediately like analyzes the transcript and then executes. Yeah, exactly. I already have that for YouTube, but I just realized for beginners it’s very complicated to start content because they got to worry about so many different stuff, right? So, I’m like, you know what? Just simplify as much as possible. But for those of them who’s not wanting to use my API key because I’m using my API that’s why I charge man they can just set everything up using cloud code honestly that’s perfectly fine too. That sounds very good. Maybe I’ll check it out as well. Yeah, go for it. This government sure about that. Should I let Yes, go ahead please. You’re going to have access to this frontier models. Don’t you believe it’s going to increase the gap between classes technology? So something that I really like. Claude recognized that I had a moment of silence and it jumped cut to get to the point. If it’s going to increase the gap between classes, technology of this kind has never been made available to any group of people really since atomics like nuclear weaponry. And so when atomics were made available to people temporarily, the United States a massive massive battlefield. one group of people has ultimate power and the ability to play the super crazy model and just make every person on earth that’s basically person that that’s basically what these models have the ability to do. You know the situation you’re in is inherently a little bit fragile. Is there a risk that the class gap will continue to grow? Let’s say uh for sure absolutely and I mean I think I think it will. Now that we have the the wireframe basically all we need to do is to just I’ I’ve lost that screenshot and I’m going to be very fast. One second.
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Okay, good enough. Mhm. And what you’re doing right now is you’re capturing the the captions. Okay. Exactly. I’m capturing the captions from the style I want to use. In this case, it was my own intro, but sometimes I will get from a different reel. And so, I’m going to paste the style. I’m going to say this is looking great. Now, all we have to do is add the captions. So, at the beginning where I’m speaking, I want you to add the captions to the right side of the screen so that it doesn’t overlay with me and it’s in the middle of between the center of me and the end of the screen. And then the same for when Nick is talking, but put it on the left side. Let each word appear one at a time and let them not disappear until Nick stops talking. So, if you’re going to move from one screen of captions to the next and there is a gap in his speech, let the captions hang so that the watcher or the viewer can actually read them. Then, after you do that, add from our database the soundtrack that fits the best to this particular reel. There we go. I love that you’re producing the whole thing. Like, this is very cool to see just because you’re not just saying, “Hey, add the captions.” No, you’re like very specific because if you have the vision and you are able to communicate it with code, you’ll basically be able to turn it to life with just words. It’s like speaking to an editor. Yeah. So, how long does it take you um with the whole process right now? Like I mean maybe just 10 minutes, right? But the reason why I’m asking is because for those of them who has a full-time job, do you think creating content on the side is possible? 100%. Especially with this pretty cool new command. Have you used this before? Remote control. Uh, not really, but I know how to use it. It was buggy when I was using it. Yeah. Oh, it’s great now. It’s amazing. So, if you just do that and I’ve actually made a couple of I made my thumbnail while I was at the gym and just talking to Cloud Code here and just published it on my YouTube channel. On your mobile app, you can have access to your full chat while speaking to Cloud Code. If you add caffeine on your laptop here at the top, it can stay awake for a prolonged period of time. And if you’re able to have a system that you can communicate with cloud constantly and you make skills that create repeatable outputs that you can use every time you have 5 minutes off of work, you can send a prompt and then come back to it later. So 100% doable. That’s awesome. And then for remote control, where are you opening it? Are you opening it using clot app? Yeah, exactly. So let me actually show you in a bit of cleaner manner. So you go into your cloud app. Mhm. You tap on the hamburger menu on the top left. Mhm. You click on code. Oh yeah, that’s right. And then here’s your session. There you go. I need to use this more often. Yeah, it’s pretty good. Yeah, have multiple sessions as well running at the same time. It was super buggy when it launched, so I’m like, never mind. I’m not doing this anymore, but yeah. So, this is exciting. So, it’s it’s doing the whole thing right now, the captions. And man, I really appreciate you sharing all of this, Nazaros. This is such a cool framework that you share with us. And yeah, I’m excited to see what what’s coming up next. So we can see that club is thinking and it actually generated the captions and even referenced them here. That’s the gold yellow uppercase for the punchwords drop shadow. Perfect. So it has analyzed everything and it handles even the authenticator and actually visually uh verifies them. It accessed the song library and choosing the right font. Where do you download those songs again just online? Yeah. So you find a real that you like that has the music that you want. You give it to CL and then it uses like an open- source Shazam model to find it and then download it off of YouTube or whatever source it finds and just make sure that it’s not copyrighted, right? I didn’t particularly check that. But if the big dogs are using it, I would assume it’s not copyrighted. That’s right. Cuz some some songs you got to pay for some songs and I guess that’s more for long form. Shorts they don’t really care maybe. Not sure. And once it’s done, then you’re going to get the video. Correct. Yeah. And then I can just say to clo to if I like it a lot. Mhm. Just post it through through Zeno and like I can say schedule it in a day or two days at this particular time and then I just relax. It gets posted. You just talk with CL and if you can strategize along the way you can basically make anything. I’m pretty sure you know these are going to have access
of this kind has never been made available to any group of people really since atomics like nuclear weaponry and so when atomics were made available to people temporarily you know the United States had a massive massive battlefield advantage one group of people has ultimate power and the ability let’s say to deploy this super crazy model and just nuke every person’s brain on Earth cuz that’s basically what these models have the ability to do. You know, the situation you’re in is inherently a little bit fragile. Is there a risk that the class gap will continue to grow, let’s say? Uh, for sure. Absolutely. And I mean, I think I think it will. We have like recursive self-improvement. The first company to get like a crazy recursively self-improving model like even if they get it 2 days before another thing, that’s an infinite gap of intelligence. Hey, Nazeros, I really appreciate you showing the whole process and exactly how it works. I mean, even for me, like it was really helpful to see because you got the whole framework behind your brain and you’re using Claw to automate 99% of it. So, I appreciate you coming to my podcast and sharing your wisdom with us. And yeah, no, thank you. Of course, I appreciate you, Sandy. Thank you so much for having me. It was a pleasure.